Interview with Anne Bishop & Chantill Lopez
Creators, Embodied Course Creation Program
Interview Summary
Anne Bishop (Harvard brain science) and Chantill Lopez (20-year Pilates teacher trainer) co-created the Embodied Course Creation Program, teaching movement professionals how to bring in-person depth online. Their insight: when learners hit resistance, the problem is often not mindset but nervous system state — and you can design for that.
When "Just Think Positive" Fails
Anne and Chantill identified a pattern that most course creators miss: students who disengage are often not unmotivated or lazy — they are in a nervous system response. Fight shows up as arguing or resistance. Flight shows up as avoiding modules. Freeze shows up as apathy or paralysis. "There are some things you just can't think your way through," Anne explains. "If your body is still responding by saying 'I'm not safe,' which shows up as apathy, retreating, rebelling — not everybody can think their way through that." Understanding this distinction changes how you design courses and respond to struggling students.
We don't want you to design your course so that you can create an expert course. We want you to design your course so that you can create expert students.
The Pre-Week Strategy
One of their most practical innovations is the "pre-week" — a structured onboarding period before the actual course content begins. Participants reflect on their past patterns of disengagement (when have they dropped out of programs before? what was happening?), identify their optimal working environments, and create a personal plan for what to do when resistance appears. This scaffolding down-regulates the nervous system before content delivery begins. "Getting people to meet themselves head-on, I think. And you can design for that," Chantill says. The pre-week produces measurably better completion rates than jumping straight into content.
Felt Sense in Any Course
Anne and Chantill emphasize that embodiment is not just for movement professionals. Any course creator can incorporate "felt sense" awareness. When participants are working through challenging tasks — writing a sales page, setting a price, making themselves visible — the body often has a response that the mind overrides. Simply asking "what are you noticing in your body right now?" can surface resistance that no amount of mindset coaching would reach. This approach, drawn from Universal Design for Learning principles, creates multiple pathways through course material so participants with different nervous system responses can all find a way forward.
It can mean the difference between people actually being successful in a program and not being successful. And it doesn't honestly take a lot, but it does take some understanding.
Anne's Action Steps
Anne recommends these 3 steps to improve your course planning:
Add a pre-week for self-reflection before content begins
Have participants reflect on past disengagement patterns, identify optimal working conditions, and plan for resistance. This scaffolding down-regulates the nervous system and improves completion rates.
Build "felt sense" prompts into challenging activities
When participants face tasks like pricing, marketing, or visibility, ask what they notice in their body. This surfaces resistance that mindset coaching alone cannot reach.
Design for learner choice and variability
Offer multiple ways to interact with material — written reflection, live discussion, partner exercises, solo practice. Participants with different nervous system responses need different paths through the same content.
About Anne Bishop & Chantill Lopez
Creators, Embodied Course Creation Program
Anne Bishop is a Harvard-educated brain science researcher and Pilates instructor since 2001 with expertise in curriculum design for motivation and engagement. Chantill Lopez is a 20-year Pilates teacher trainer, studio owner, and author of 'Moving Beyond Technique.' Together, they have created ~90 online courses and founded the Embodied Course Creation Program.
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